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Thursday, October 20, 2005

Is Religious Indoctrination Child Abuse?

Once the veil of religion was lifted from my eyes, so many things that I had never considered suddenly seemed glaringly apparent. I am sure this is not news to anyone who has come out of a rigid or even liberal religious background to a position of unbridled freedom of thought. There are so many aspects of what I had been taught was ‘right’ and ‘good’ that I am sure I will be busy for many months writing and posting my thoughts.

One of the major concerns that I now have as a free thinker is the entire concept of children being indoctrinated into religious thought at a young age. To a westernized Christian, the idea that church ideology could harm a child is not even considered. But this same group of people would no doubt cringe at the site of Muslim boys sitting crossed legged for hours memorizing the Koran, rocking forward and backward like some automaton. This is what passes for education in many places in this world.

I would have no way of knowing what Christians today choose to allow their young children to know of the Bible’s blood lust, but I hope that most use some discretion. Most Christians that I know have major blind spots or complete ignorance of most of the Bible which would indicate to me that they never were taught these parts or at the least that they were conveniently overlooked.

But this begs the question; why use the Bible as your guide to child-rearing if you have to ignore large portions of what it teaches? I could list dozens of passages that are not fit to be heard by children, but I will refrain for now and limit by choices to one; the wonderful father and son adventure of Abraham and Isaac.

Once upon a time ….

‘God’ decides to tempt Abraham to test his faith and willingness to murder his son. Why ‘God’ would have to tempt Abraham is odd considering that he should already know whether Abraham had faith or not. And the method that Abraham receives this command isn’t defined. If Abraham receives his messages from ‘God’ as most believers do, then I assume it is a voice in his head.

To get on with the story, The Voice in Abraham’s Head tells him to go on a trip with his son, load up some asses and couple of servants and head off to commit murder on top of some yet to be disclosed mountain. When they get within sight of the mountain, Abraham leaves the servants and asses and heads up the mountain with Isaac. First, Abraham loads up Isaac with the wood that will be needed to burn him and he gets some fire, maybe a book of matches from one of the servants, who knows. By the way, Abraham lies to the servants about where he and his son are headed, he tells them they are going to go to yon mountain and worship. He isn’t exactly honest in saying that he is going to yon mountain to murder my only son.

At this point, Isaac asks his father where the lamb to offer as a sacrifice is. Abraham again lies and says that ‘God’ will provide that. He could have been honest and said, “Lamb, I don’t need no stinking Lamb”.

Abraham and Isaac get to the top of the mountain and build the alter of sacrifice. Abraham binds Isaac. Evidently, Isaac can not be trusted to simply lie on the alter and be slaughtered willingly. Like most sensible people, he would probably try to avoid being murdered by his father.

Without hesitation or even a second check of that voice in his head, Abraham raises the knife to murder his son. What Isaac is thinking at this time or doing is not specified in the holy texts. My guess would be that having been bound and laid on an alter, he was probably screaming something to the effect of “WTF!”.

Just at that moment, one of ‘God’s’ flunkies, a nameless angel (who at least does speak out of the clouds as we would expect them to), commands Abraham to put down the knife and tells him that the whole deal was pretty much just a little joke ‘God’ had played upon him. ‘God’ evidently was too busy to speak directly to Abraham at this time. He may have been destroying Sodom and Gomorrah or turning someone into a pillar of salt.

Abraham notices a goat that is now in some bushes and decides to kill it instead of Isaac. Abraham is praised for being a really cool servant of God for his willingness to murder his own son and is promised to get the ‘God’ version of Viagra to go and spread his wonderful seed all over the land.

I am not really sure what kind of relationship that Isaac and Abraham had after that. It doesn’t seem to be important to ‘God’. I can only guess that Isaac slept with one eye open and avoided going on vacation with dad after that.

…and they lived happily ever after?

This passage is the subject of unknown numbers of sermons in churches every week. Can you imagine the fear that it must put into the minds of children? I wonder if any of the kids ask their fathers what they would do if ‘God’ instructed them to do such a thing.

What would you Real Christians do if instructed by ‘God’ to murder your children and what would you expect your secular counterparts to do if you acted upon this instruction from a voice in your head?

The problem that True Believers seem to have is that they want to credit their holy book for any morality they may have, but their true morality is based upon secular values, not those condoned in the bloody Bible.

These people should think about what they are doing before they send their kids off to Sunday school or to a religious school. Damage is being done.

14 Comments:

At 10/23/2005 11:10 AM, Blogger BEAST said...

Back in my country, singapore, there was a reported case of staff in a local government hospital proselytising to patients.

I have written it on my blog.

 
At 11/16/2005 2:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you look at http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/fundies/ a site with fundie quotes fron xtian BBS there is a gui I think in the 2003 section who told his son the whole Abraham story and when his son asked him if he would kill if God ascke he said he would .Case closed

 
At 11/16/2005 3:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

what the heck it's hard to find that page and we are al busy people so I'l copy it

Last night, I was reading to my two children out of their 'children's bible.' We got to the story of Abraham and Isaac and I read to them about Abraham being willing to sacrifice Isaac in obedience to God.

When we finished my son, who is 9, looked very distraught. He then asked me the most difficult question that I have ever heard in my life....'Would you do that to me if God asked you to?'

I sat for a moment and franically thought of what was best to say. Needless to say, my pause was cause for alarm in his mind.

After a few agonizing moments, I responded with a very slow and distraught...'Yes. If God commanded me to, then I would have no choice but to be obedient; however, I hope that God would never demand such a thing from me.'

He looked shocked. And I felt that I had said the wrong thing. Of course, my wife immediately spoke up and said that she would not ever do anything to hurt him.

But I began to explain myself to him. I told him that he was saved, and that death on this earth brings life in heaven with Jesus. He understood perfectly and then said something amazing. He looked at his mother and said, 'I would rather die and go to heaven and God would be happy with you for obeying Him, than to know that when I died you could go to hell for not doing what you were told.'"

Is it givig you the creeps or is it just me

 
At 11/16/2005 6:29 AM, Blogger Alan said...

Thanks anonymous for that interesting tidbit. It is sad that xtians have to defend such horrible passages.

 
At 3/23/2006 4:32 AM, Anonymous roya said...

If it is OK to kill your kid as god seems to advocate it, them why the hell abortion is not OK?

 
At 9/02/2006 7:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm an agnostic, but do people who believe in God and that the Bible is the word of God seriously think that God is this vindictive, judgemental entity who would condemn those who would refuse to slaughter their children to an eternity in Hell?
If I heard a voice in my head instructing me to kill my children I'd like to think I would seek immediate medical advice.

 
At 11/08/2006 2:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you know that the God of the universe sacrificed His own son, Jesus Christ, and raised Jesus from the dead, so that you may live eternally? That is the greatest love that has ever been known, and He has poured it out on you, and on me, as He did on Abraham and Isaac.

I will pray for you, that you will believe in Jesus Christ, and in the sacrifice that was made for you -- out of love, and boundless mercy.

I am a Christian, and I believe everything that the Bible has to say, because it is God's Word, and His truth. He desires us all to be saved by His truth, and to spend eternity in His presence, even though we deserve death and hell. That's love.

 
At 11/08/2006 8:29 PM, Blogger Alan said...

Blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah.

 
At 11/14/2006 5:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Still gonna pray for you, friend, because God created you, too. I pray that you will be converted, and see the truth. God is the God of the universe, and He rules it all, with love - for you and for everyone.

 
At 11/16/2006 1:21 AM, Blogger Alan said...

Oh gosh, no! Please, oh please Mista don't pray for me. You know us atheists just hate it when you saved folk pray for us.

BTW, I don't need to be converted AGAIN. I was raised a Bible believing little American boy and grew out of it. There is a zero percent chance that I will be reconverted, so please find something constructive to do with your time rather than wasting it on your knees for me.

 
At 11/18/2006 3:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've never understood the whole Jesus pseudo-sacrifice deal. Yes, pseudo. I forget where (whether on a blog or linked by it), but it showed that the defining quality of a sacrifice is that something has to be lost--not lost then brought back: That makes the deficit zero.

Then there's the frivolous nature of sacrificing something you created for reasons you created in something you created that opperates by rules you created in order to alter the rules in ways you created. The whole damn thing is arbitrary in every regard, what was accomplished?

 
At 2/08/2007 5:30 PM, Anonymous dave (uk) said...

Somebody here said "Do you know that the God of the universe sacrificed His own son, Jesus Christ, and raised Jesus from the dead, so that you may live eternally?"

Well, if he is the god of the universe, couldn't he just have decided in an instant that we all could live eternally. Why did he have to sacrifice his son? Seems a tad extreme! I guess this is an admition that god is not omnipotent after all. The moral here seems to be: it is ok to sacrifice your son. I feel sorry for poor little issac and his mate jesus and any kids brought up to think mom and dad just might sacrifice them to their primitive god.

 
At 9/22/2007 8:14 AM, Blogger anonymous said...

Funnily Jesus is also meant to actually be god, in that ever so confusing, 'ineffable' trinity thing. This would of course make god a sedo-masochist, as, owing to his Omniscience, he would know the pain that would be inflicted on his son, who is also him.

 
At 12/14/2007 3:00 AM, Blogger randomblogr said...

I have started on an earnest effort to read the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible. Everything was going well until I got to this section (Genesis 22) - where Abraham was ready to go through with sacrificing his son.

I read up until the part where the angel basically says "no don't do it" and I made a full stop. I was deeply disturbed. I started asking the same questions in this blog posting. I have two sons and I love them dearly. I would never EVER harm them, not for God, Jesus, the pope, my wife, not even to save myself. To me, this part of the Bible shoots a cannon-sized hole in the 'perfect God' image. God should not need to ask such things, and this test really proves nothing. Abraham could be dumb as a rock and just mindlessly do anything he is asked for all we know, so following through with the act does not necessarily prove that Abraham is faithful. The fact that Abraham lied and deceived his son should be grounds for punishment by God. How can anyone defend this?

I was talking to my wife (who comes from a Christian background) about it and she suggested that the new testament is what I should be reading. I said well how can I pick and choose what parts of the word of God I want to believe in? If this part is shite, then all bets are off: the rest of the Bible needs to be read with the knowledge that God can make mistakes and that He isn't perfect. I mean, that seems to be the logical conclusion. I will probably make an effort to continue and read the rest of the Bible but I will not be blindly following God's instructions or advice, knowing that He is imperfect like the rest of us.

I am really disappointed by this revelation. I was looking forward to getting closer to God and learning more about these things. I still want to learn more about Jesus as He seems to have so many good things to teach us which is amazing. I hope I don't hit any road blocks like this reading about Jesus. Even if I end up just not believing in God, I hope the Bible can still teach me many good things that will make me a better person. Maybe I am better off reading the new testament. But this Genesis:22 thing, that's bullshit.

 

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